{"id":2724,"date":"2016-11-06T11:00:52","date_gmt":"2016-11-06T19:00:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/?p=2724"},"modified":"2016-11-06T11:00:52","modified_gmt":"2016-11-06T19:00:52","slug":"drive-train-failure-and-a-solution","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/tesla\/drive-train-failure-and-a-solution\/","title":{"rendered":"Drivetrain failure on a P85D loaner and a temporary solution"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So, we brought my better half&#8217;s Roadster in for its annual service . \u00a0Since we scheduled our service a while back, we were able to request and receive a loaner. Our first loaner was a regular P85 and it was a nice ride. \u00a0However, while the Roadster was in for service, the guys at the service center found an issue when the car was headed back to us after completion of the service.<\/p>\n<p>Roadster parts and service is a little bit more of a challenge to Tesla than Model S service. \u00a0The issue with the car is still ongoing and the fault has been isolated. \u00a0In the meantime, the loaner will be with us a little longer than expected. \u00a0Having never experienced Autopilot as a driver, I requested a swap out of loaners to an AP enabled one, should the service center be able to accommodate. \u00a0A while after the request, and about a week after we&#8217;ve been driving a standard classic Model S P85, we got word from the service center that an AP enabled Model S was available for a swap, so I hurried down to the Service Center to swap out the P85 loaner for a P85D loaner.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160927_150103\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29975235835\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c4.staticflickr.com\/9\/8198\/29975235835_1f391bdbc2_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160927_150103\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160927_143622\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29348449233\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c2.staticflickr.com\/6\/5718\/29348449233_983dde3bdf_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160927_143622\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160927_150111\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29347618834\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c3.staticflickr.com\/9\/8480\/29347618834_fc9894af2f_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160927_150111\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Not a Ludicrous P90D, but still insane.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160927_150744\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29681498270\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c7.staticflickr.com\/9\/8373\/29681498270_4fa2af1876_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160927_150744\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>So, aside from auto pilot, we also got Insane. \u00a0I&#8217;ve been through a few Insane launches previously, so I didn&#8217;t really care to try that again. \u00a0One of the things that struck me with this Model S is the upgraded TPMS system that these newer Model S has. \u00a0Older Model S TPMS did not indicate the status of each individual tire pressure. \u00a0The Roadster does, but early Model S did not.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160930_123949\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29428356234\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c3.staticflickr.com\/6\/5803\/29428356234_7e71978c0d_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160930_123949\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>The car had firmware 7.1.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20160930_124003\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29428362414\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c7.staticflickr.com\/9\/8673\/29428362414_196a55b8c0_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20160930_124003\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>One of the best tests for Autopilot is in stop and go traffic and you can see this loaner handling that fine.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161005_112454\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30105522086\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c7.staticflickr.com\/9\/8275\/30105522086_7db41d196d_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161005_112454\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Speeding up when the traffic ahead starts to move faster.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161005_112445\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30105518076\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/6\/5240\/30105518076_0de195dec6_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161005_112445\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>We took it out for the weekend. \u00a0Both the Tesla Owners Club of Orange County (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.meetup.com\/Orange-County-Tesla-Club\/\">meetup<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/teslamotorsclub.com\/tmc\/groups\/43\/wall\/public\">TMC<\/a>, or <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/octeslaclub\">Twitter<\/a>)\u00a0and\u00a0Los Angeles (<a href=\"http:\/\/teslaclubla.com\/\">website <\/a>or <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TeslaClubLA\">Twitter<\/a>) decided to\u00a0go Apple Picking in Yucaipa. \u00a0We figured it would be a great way to try out the autonomous features and get some experience with Auto Pilot since none of our current Tesla cars have it. \u00a0We met at the Rancho Cucamonga Supercharger and left for the Apple Farm from there.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3442\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29621535924\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/6\/5835\/29621535924_d6774fc5d8_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3442\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3445\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30252276485\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c6.staticflickr.com\/6\/5328\/30252276485_6f498b0f52_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3445\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3446\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30137006782\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c7.staticflickr.com\/6\/5824\/30137006782_63316812d8_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3446\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3447\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30252279255\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c8.staticflickr.com\/6\/5464\/30252279255_180b204cc7_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3447\" width=\"600\" height=\"800\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3449\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30166744641\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c2.staticflickr.com\/9\/8560\/30166744641_ce1fb25cd2_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3449\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>The caravan was fun, but we were in the back, and the group ahead of us got there a lot sooner than we did.<\/p>\n<p>Here we are at the Apple Farm with the group.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_3450\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30217205116\/in\/photolist-MV7c3o-MD5w7J-MXJyzM-MD5vmq-MV7aTu-M8Dp66-MV7fKU-MV7b4Q-M8yhyu-N6hZUx-N6i6dP-M8ym5C-N3cfQL-MV73KG-MD5r8W-N3c5k7-M8yb19-N6hQDD-MXJsbV-N6hPPT-MV73ad-MXJrBZ-MD5k39-MV72Ws-N6hN8X-M8y7N7-M8y7CC-MV721E-MD5gFQ-MXJmqX-MV71By-MV7wWG-MV7vLA-N6isjg-MD5NYE-N3cvyU-N3cwxC-MD5Rqo-M8Dx9v-MD5KGu-MD5JTq-M8ysLJ-M8DEA4-M8DrQz-N6ibxB-M8yxm5-M8yqYA-M8DuxD-N6i9mc-M8yxyj\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/6\/5727\/30217205116_57f9d66e6e_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_3450\" width=\"800\" height=\"600\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>It was a great long trip to Rancho Cucamonga and Yucaipa. \u00a0The car performed admirably and I still was not as comfortable as others with the Auto Pilot. \u00a0It worked great, but I&#8217;m just too much of a control freak. \u00a0The car seems to sit closer to the right side of the lane than I do. \u00a0Either way, there&#8217;s a lot of coverage on AP and now that 8.0 is released and AP 2.0 is getting produced, I&#8217;m not adding anything to further the pro or con case for AutoPilot 1.0.<\/p>\n<p>However, I can give some hints on what can be done should you encounter some trouble. \u00a0This is not an all-inclusive list, just a story of what happened to us and how we temporarily resolved it.<\/p>\n<p>A\u00a0few days after our club trip for Apple Picking. \u00a0Something distressing happened. \u00a0The drivetrain failed. \u00a0 We were doing some errands locally. \u00a0I was making a left and had the PRND status on the driver dashboard go red, that was strange, so, I put the car on park, and the PRND status went to P. \u00a0I then switched back to D and it engaged. \u00a0Figured that this was a weird event, we decided to head home and swap cars.<\/p>\n<p>Five minutes later, we were at a stop and the\u00a0PRND status went red again. \u00a0Once again, I didn&#8217;t get a picture of the failure because of traffic. \u00a0Unfortunately for us, we were in Pacific Coast Highway at a stoplight. \u00a0Now this is a very busy road, and we were a little stressed at the speeds that people behind us were traveling before the stop. \u00a0We called Tesla Roadside Service to see what was going on. \u00a0Their solution was to send a tow truck to pick us up. \u00a0However, we were stalled in the middle of the street. \u00a0So, we called our service center and were advised to reset the car. \u00a0Now, it was too dangerous to get out of the car to do this. \u00a0Turning the car off would have turned off our hazard lights.<\/p>\n<p>The service center had a novel and ingenious way of restarting the car to see if the car can fix itself. \u00a0While parked. \u00a0Brace yourself so that you can raise yourself off the seat. \u00a0Open and close the door quickly. \u00a0What this does is reset the vehicle. \u00a0The car went off and then turned back on. \u00a0Guess what. \u00a0It worked. \u00a0The drive train was able to be re-engaged. \u00a0We were a few minutes from home and were happy to get home unscathed.<\/p>\n<p>Called Tesla back to redirect the tow to our home.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_161505\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29621630564\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/9\/8271\/29621630564_2c0395d509_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_161505\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>As with any Tesla, the car needs to be towed by a flat bed.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_162026\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30137110472\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/9\/8622\/30137110472_77c7f2eabe_z.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_162026\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_161505\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29621630564\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/9\/8271\/29621630564_2c0395d509_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_161505\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_162026\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30137110472\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/9\/8622\/30137110472_77c7f2eabe_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_162026\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_162030\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/29621634294\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c7.staticflickr.com\/6\/5571\/29621634294_c452866f6d_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_162030\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>It was an afternoon in Southern California, during Rush Hour&#8230; \u00a0So,\u00a0we spoke with the service center and they were able to get us a replacement loaner. \u00a0No auto pilot, but a nice Silver P85. \u00a0Here is the P85D getting towed.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_172148\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30217333656\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/9\/8138\/30217333656_e1b88383c8_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_172148\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_172150\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30217334956\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c5.staticflickr.com\/9\/8681\/30217334956_32872bcca5_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_172150\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>This loaner has the built in center console and I used to want one. \u00a0Now, I&#8217;m sure I prefer to have the open space.<\/p>\n<p><a title=\"IMG_20161010_174827\" href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/8245538@N06\/30252420185\/in\/dateposted-public\/\" data-flickr-embed=\"true\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/c2.staticflickr.com\/8\/7517\/30252420185_4441912f88_c.jpg\" alt=\"IMG_20161010_174827\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" \/><\/a><script async src=\"\/\/embedr.flickr.com\/assets\/client-code.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Bottom line is, the car is great, but if you ever find yourself in a situation where the drive train won&#8217;t engage. \u00a0Try a few things.<\/p>\n<p>1) Put it in Park. (and then switch it back to gear. \u00a0This worked ONCE and wouldn&#8217;t again.)<\/p>\n<p>2) Step out of the car and step back in. (or make it think that you do by lifting your bum off the seat, then open and then close the door.) \u00a0Car will go &#8220;off&#8221;. Then start the car as normal.<\/p>\n<p>Hope that helps.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So, we brought my better half&#8217;s Roadster in for its annual service . \u00a0Since we scheduled our service a while back, we were able to request and receive a loaner. Our first loaner was a regular P85 and it was a nice ride. \u00a0However, while the Roadster was in for service, the guys at the &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/tesla\/drive-train-failure-and-a-solution\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Drivetrain failure on a P85D loaner and a temporary solution<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[30,19,21],"tags":[429,430,723,733],"class_list":["post-2724","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-in-for-service-tesla-model-s","category-tesla","category-tesla-model-s","tag-in-for-repair","tag-in-for-service","tag-tesla","tag-tesla-model-s"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2724","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2724"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2724\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2724"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2724"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/pascual.co\/ActiveE\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2724"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}